August 15, 2020 at 9:25 am #214548
It is a great concept, but it’s worrying that someone would have to attend anti-racist class. I mean, if they had no issues with people of colour, they wouldn’t need to attend such a class. It is like anger management classes: again, if someone didn’t have a temper, they wouldn’t need to go to such a class. I see the point of said classes, but if I had to attend one I wouldn’t tell anyone.August 15, 2020 at 10:04 am #214556
My opinion is that racism is a funny thing. With very many it is yet another lever they can use to get more out of the system. To think about it is almost to be racist and to act in either direction probably is racist. See how many people are actually using the recent problems to further their own ends rather than just making a strong reminder to themselves that people are just people. If I had to attend one I would either not understand or see it as a political move.August 15, 2020 at 12:24 pm #214562
What is a racist?
Is it racism one way street?
Can those who mean no harm still be tarred with the same brush as the ones who wear the pointy hats and burn crosses on the lawn?
I recently saw two posts on social media .
1/ a couple have a new TV delivered and their spoiled brat of a son pushes it off the stand then hits it with a hammer while they just flap their hands and called out his name… The caption ‘white folks be like…’
2 a photo of a black stork and the caption. ‘I wonder what he delivers’?
Surely if one is wrong they both are, both point at race as a way of explaining the images. One actually states that it is about persons of a particular race.
Yet one of these images will be called out for being racist the other not.. Why?
I agree that some people need education often children who know no better because of the way their parents have bought them up ..
EG; My neighbour doesnt cook (basic meals but nothing fancy) she admits that even though she got a new kitchen and oven 5 years ago she has never used the oven!
So at Christmas and birthdays I cook mince pies Christmas and birthday cakes , jams pickles etc for her and her husband. Last year his birthday cake was in the colours of his local team.. Everyone thought it was fantastic and asked her where she bought it..
One of these people was her nephew,(he is in his 20s) She asked him do you want a slice and he said Yes ,, where did you buy it?
She replied I didnt, Cass made it for us.
He gave me a sideways glance and said .. actually I wont have any..
Its always the same he wont eat anything if he knows Ive cooked it and if I greet him in the street he pretends he hasnt heard or doesnt know me.. But what can I do? He is ignorent, classes might make him say the right thing but would he feel them? Anyway according to the law it doesnt count because both he and I are white..
What about old people who use outdated language? After all white poeple have been called white since whenever but now we hear the phrases coloured, persons of colour, black, native people , indiginous people , first nation people, afro- (insert country here) ..Here due to the high Turkish population we hear Nederturk.. (I dont call myself Nederbrit.. I am myself I just happen to have a Dutch passport.) So I dont entirely understand the need for people born here to have this Neder – title..
For elderly people this is very confusing there is so much change in their world how can they keep up or do we send everyone over 65 to classes.?
I actually think gentle education is the best way. Dont try ramming things down peoples throats that just leads to resistence. But the fact is we will never eradictae totally the idea that some people have that persons of another colour, race, ethnicity or nationality are different and less worthy.
August 16, 2020 at 2:21 am #214578
- This reply was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by cassandra.
I’m afraid that I don’t understand the original post, Kitty. The only anti-racism classes that I can think of are those mandated by employers either upon hire and/or on an annual basis…like sexual harassment classes.
I don’t know of any other instance in which “someone would have to attend anti-racist class.”August 18, 2020 at 10:44 am #214632
I got the idea for this post because of the campaign “Black Lives Matter”. I read on social media of anti-racist classes being set-up. I do apologise if I got this wrong. But I have found reading everyone’s responses enlightening. Especially cassandra’s. It is such a complex subject and there are so many points-of-view. I felt I had to start this thread: I feel it is relevant to society at the moment. Although – again – I do apologise if I got it wrong about anti-racist classes.August 18, 2020 at 8:04 pm #214647
Oh, okay. Now I know where you’re coming from.August 19, 2020 at 7:38 am #214671
I got the idea for this post because of the campaign “Black Lives Matter”. I read on social media of anti-racist classes being set-up. I do apologise if I got this wrong. But I have found reading everyone’s responses enlightening. Especially cassandra’s. It is such a complex subject and there are so many points-of-view. I felt I had to start this thread: I feel it is relevant to society at the moment. Although – again – I do apologise if I got it wrong about anti-racist classes.
I have to say while I appalaud the goal of BLM to bring about an end to racisim in theory, in reality they are just as biased as some of the people they speak out about and extriemism in any form is dangerous.
BLM have the viewpoint that every white person is guilty by the mere fact that they are white… They say our white history is one of elitism and privalige.. Well they sure as heck didnt look at my family when they made that statement.. Poor Irish people working the land for a pittance totally under the control of the land bosses terrified they could be turned out with nothing and half starved all the time, most of them died very young and none of them had the right to vote.
OH’s family were even worse off his great grandparents were rope pickers and rag sorters.. Its where the saying money for old rope comes from, these people would take old broken bits of rope that they found and unpick each thread so that it could be reused.. It was a job done by those who had absolutely no hope of anything.. His great grandmother died in the Bermondsey workhouse where she and her family had been put. They had no right to vote and so they also had no influence on what was or wasnt done by the elite classes overseas..
Our two families certainly did not enjoy any of this so called white privalige.
To make anti racisim classes mandatory is a dangerous thing , you are then talking about mass indoctrination of the people, the taking away of the right to free speech and free thought, because no matter how distasteful if we are to have free speech then we must be allowed to hear all sides..
If this was allowed just ask yourself what would be next ? Re-education for aethists, for socialists , for anti governement thinkers.. Its a dangerous and slippery slope.
Better to educate in an all inclusive way to present a balanced and honest history where we stop the idolisation of people for one act and give a rounded view so by all means take down Churchills statue but place it in a museum let it stand with the full story that he was a great and motivated war time leader that he did spur the country on through the darkest times but that he was a racist and had no sympathy or feeling for Indias starving poulation or anyone outside of the UK borders… Similarly take down the statue of Nelson Mandela put that in a museum and tell,, Leader of the ANC in a divided South africa. Convicted murderer, who converted to ways of peace and eventually because a leader for all south africans. At least then people could take a balanced view of things instead of being drip fed one sided stories.
(This is about voting rights in UK as you see before 1918 most poor people had no voting rights)