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    I think the entire world is dangerous. Crime is never eradicated. That isn’t to say the police and authorities do nothing – or not enough – but it does mean there are dangerous, violent people that keep attacking. I know places where if you so much as say the wrong thing, you’re beaten up. It is wrong and it is violent, but violence in people will always be there. But that doesn’t make it right. The fact is, we live in a world where every bad thing happens. The only way to protect ourselves is to follow the law, respect ourselves, know boundaries and use common sense. Still, life is as it is.


    I’m really tired of this thread. The USA is the greatest country in the world. It is the safest, we have the best economy and the greatest military strength in the world. If you don’t agree with this and you think the US is a scary place, may I suggest you try North Korea, Syria, Iran, Guatamala, or any of a dozen third world countries. Maybe we can take up a collection for a ticket. It would be one way wouldn’t it.


    [quote quote=195033]I suggest you try North Korea, Syria, Iran, Guatamala, or any of a dozen third world countries. Maybe we can take up a collection for a ticket. It would be one way wouldn’t it.[/quote]

    Surely, you can present a better argument than “Quit crying, or I’ll give you something to cry about!”

    We have the best government corporate money can buy.  Sure, there are/have been worse world leaders than the one we have now…we still deserve better.


    Playing the devil here, but President Trump is well proving that the USA is the biggest bully in the world too! Being the best brings a responsibility for showing care and understanding, not an “I’m all right Jack” attitude! Greatness is shown by co-operation and working together for the good of all, not stomping your feet like a spoilt child and saying you cannot play in my game!


    I’m sorry, but President Trump is an international disgrace.

    Actually, I’m not sorry.


    I totally agree with SpinnigJen and MiaKora. First off to be an effective President you have to be willing to work with all the people in your Government. President Trump talks the talk, but does not walk the walk. He will say in one sentence that he is going to work on a certain bill with Congress and then in the next few minutes be talking down the Democrats on how they are going to ruin this bill and starts calling out the names that he has been doing for years. He has been nothing more than a bully. Then he supports a notorious dictator who has suppressed the development of his own people.


    Bunnyhabit started this thread, echoed by several UK ladies. The USA is no more dangerous than other developed countries. We are 330 million, the UK is about 67 million. Do the math, of course there is more crime here in volume, not per population. I’m disappointed in the US liberal responses blaming President Trump. There was no crime before him? One member called him ‘narccissistic’, (her spelling). It was Obama that claimed his election would stop the rise of the oceans. Wow! Another referred to POS republicans. So much for the forum’s claim to be accepting to all.

    I’ve got news for these liberals here and abroad. Most of the violent crime happens in Democrat run cities and virtually all mass shootings happen in ‘gun free’ zones. Liberalism had taken religion out of society. There is no right or wrong anymore, mustn’t judge a criminal before examining their childhood. Offenders don’t care if their actions dishonor the family name.

    I’m no Holy Roller, but the Ten Commandments are a good place to start for decent behavior. Anyone committing petty theft to terrorism doesn’t give rat’s a** who’s President. So knock if off!

    I’m near Chicago, with the strictest gun laws in the Nation. Yet, repeat gun offenders are released on bond by liberal Judges before the arresting officer has completed the paperwork. We measure shootings by hundreds every month, and liberals want to pass more laws against the law abiding.

    There was a stabbing at London Bridge by an early released terrorist. Which Party runs London now days? Coddling the criminals.



    [quote quote=205725] Wow! Another referred to POS republicans. So much for the forum’s claim to be accepting to all.[/quote]

    So, freedom of speech is limited only to those with whom you agree?  We’re expressing our opinions (just as you are), whether we agree with them or not.


    @Terrihoney please dont get angry.

    The fact is people are voicing fears , those fears are real to them ..It might be different where you live or in the circles you move but to them those fears are real and present.

    As for views from those living outside the US it might be a good idea to really read and think about those posts because this is the perception of the US from the outside.. I live in the Netherlands and apart from the fact that people think it begins and ends in Amsterdam if asked what it was famous for  most people would say prostitues, drugs and tulips. But thats an outsiders viewpoint its not the real spirit of the place.

    There is no bigger drugs problem than anywhere else there are not prositutes on every street corner but unless you have lived here you wouldnt know that.

    If you dont like the way your country is perceived you should be working to change it.  For many of us in Europe the US laws are a total mystery, we just dont allow people to be wandering around with guns, we dont allow people to be put to death anymore or  allow anyone to go without health care either.

    These are three major points that people here just dont understand , how anyone can be denied basic rights to medicine and how anyone can wander about with a loaded gun and how if murder isnt right how come the state executes people..

    Striking back with angry comments about coddeling criminals isnt helping anyones idea of how great America is or isnt…

    These are points of view , and in a democratic society everyone has the right to make their view known.



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    Wow! Another referred to POS republicans. So much for the forum’s claim to be accepting to all.

    So, freedom of speech is limited only to those with whom you agree? We’re expressing our opinions (just as you are), whether we agree with them or not.


    Referring to someone as a POS for their political views maybe free speech in your mind, but if roles were reversed, you’d be outraged. Language  like that is purposely insulting and childish. Free speech comes with responsibility, as do all of our freedoms.


    Actually Cassandra, I think of the Netherlands as full of windmills and wood shoes. I’m not angry at all about a legitimate question of our society’s overall safety. Despite different laws and customs all over the world, there exists terrible acts of violence.

    I do believe that a lack of morality in today’s society is a major cause of concern. There will always be criminals, we can’t change that. In times past, a criminal feared of a guaranteed prison sentence instead of free on bond in 24 hours. Longer sentences for repeat offenders hardly exists now. This is what I meant by coddling of criminals. This attitude exists through out the free world and only brings on more crime.

    My disappointment in this thread was when liberals took the opportunity to bash President Trump. His policy on North Korea has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. The political hate is not a useful type of dialog, are there moderators here that think calling others a POS is a helpful way to engage in free expression? I guess so. Treating each other respectfully is the kind of moral behavior that has declined.

    I did correctly point out that the US has a larger population, there will be more crime by Nation, not by population.







    • This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Terrihoney.


    Thankyou for your post clarifying some of your ealier points. I have to agree with you that a lack of morality is to blame for much of what ails our society now. Although I believe in freedoms of speech religion and sexuality I also believe in respecting others rights and I have to say there is too much one sidedness in todays world. One has to be as careful about what views one airs today just as much as 100years ago.

    My country has very relaxed jail sentences and sometimes I wonder why there are not more terrible criminals here given that the punishments are so low. I cant tell you why and I dont pretend to know the answer but somehow it works (most of the time).. to compare in the Netherlands there are 59 per 100,000 of the nation’s population in jail.  the U.S.’s prison population rate is 666 per 100,000. Now I cant say if that is because we have less criminals or if its just because there are lighter and fewer jail sentences,but in 2018 there were a total of 119 murders in a population of just over 17 milion..( sadly figures show that the majority of men murdered had non western backgrounds often newcomers to the country)

    Im not a fan of Trump or the Uk’s Johnson but I can see how both of these men appealed to the people with their blunt and ordinary way of speaking. They have appealed to what many people in the streets have asked for ie plain talking and putting their own country first. That said although I like our leader here (Mark Rutte) he is a very charming gentle and well spoken man who I find very easy to listen to I do not agree with his politics either, a shame because he is lovely in all other ways!

    Again I would say if there is anyone here who does not like the way their country is run then use your right to vote wisely. Make change happen dont just sit back whinging about it and insulting other people who did not vote as you might have done.

    I dont like everything about my country and my vote didnt make much difference last time but I have to say on balance there are still more things I do like than that I dont.  When there are elcetions I make sure I vote I weigh up the pros and cons of each party each time and dont just blindly follow one group ‘because thats the way we always have’.


    I hope we can continue to have discussions about politics and world affairs in this group without resorting to insults..


    • This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by cassandra.

    Interesting  Netherland statistics, Cassandra. Such a low crime rate might be from a homogeneous society. People that share the same background and ethnicity tend to be kinder to each other. Consider peer pressure as well. Good behavior promotes more of the same.

    In our more violent cities, like nearby Chicago, neighbors don’t even know each other, much less have any respect. The answers to lower crime rates have to come from each community, not State or Federal Government. Until there is a viable alternative to gang life, until there is shame in having spent time in jail, there will be high rates of crime.

    There used to be a time when being arrested brought shame upon the family, now it’s like a badge of honor

    My small town borders on a high crime town. We keep down drugs an violence through community activity. Neighbors know each other and when homes are vacant. I head one of six neighborhood watch commands and am active with our Police and Village Board.

    I also moderate a community forum. Foul language and insults are not allowed. I also study our Constitution. Free Speech refers to speech against the Government. No one has the right to insult another without consequences. The law abiding tend to be more polite to each other.

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